Thanks for the images, Eric, Brian and Mark. They are impressive, indeed I believe that single terrain object would be visible from Space, Eric! ;-) C4 is certainly starting to look more interesting. I can see that keeping things under wraps is perhaps important to avoid your competitors nicking ideas but it doesn't do a lot for your existing customer base's confidence. Especially when, if you pre-order, you're cheerfully told that your credit card will be billed immediately. Personally I think that Eovia are disorganized, at least as far as their existing customers are concerned. Generally I find out anything useful on this forum long before I hear from Eovia.