"Ranting and raving" HERE doesn't do much. I said absolutely nothing about how art8boi should proceed -- I did not even mention him or his experience directly. That said, I was surprised and pleased to see a couple of thoughtful suggestions directed to art8boi. That is new in this type of thread. I believe it is because we have an actual test case with known facts to discuss, not a hypothetical "If I visited Rendo from work my boss would be angry." So congrats. More carbs, less fat, on this trip through a very old subject.