I don't agree Tecn0mage, if you had a client wanting an image created and you knew the perfect model was available for free, now lets say it was a complex model that took 20 hours to create thats 20 hours the guy/gal saved you, or if you couldn't model its a big wad of cash you or the client saved so why not bung a bit the modelers way........the way it works is some folks model some folks render (some lucky gits do both LOL) we work together, I have clients that get to know costings so a company says "can you do this" ...they go away and think we want $XX for the image Steve will want $XX for the modeling we'll charge the company XX+XX......if your gonna work proffesionally you gotta play by the rules are you'll end up getting caught out eventually......Steve