Correct me here if I'm wrong, but DAZ do make promisses, and Corel almost never did, and as little time they owned it, they dis some improvements on it, I will buy it and test it for ya all, let me be the first to spend that money and be an unofficial beta tester ( or is that gonna be gamma ) of Bryce forum. @AS We should change that and UNITE in effort to lead DAZ in correct direction !!!