heyas; actually, varian, i did say 'don't do browser-specific fancy crap, just do the basic stuff.' but you're right, i didn't mention the other browsers people might use. you're my hero too! cool! we have a mutual appreciation society going here! love that idea with the double trees. and all those free plants! you're the only guy i know who makes dead plants! :) and i can't believe that somebody else has actually ever heard of navipress! this is so cool :) er, so, anyway... when are we gonna see this group-project page of yours that we're working on, mike? ;D