LOL...I never made it that far...just messing around & the render was o.O...I don't have patience for that. I also found it to be way to mathematical for me...to many decimals etc. Can't handle that either. So to the dust pile it went. My tolerence for render time is overnight while I sleep...when I get up it better be done ;). With Vue/Poser have never had a problem with this. Not even going to touch Bryce till the upgrade comes out...bad render times there too.