"What you're seeing isn't a cause/effect of how good/bad the renderer is, because the P5 Firefly renderer is based on PRMan, which is one of the best renderers money can buy in the 3D world (albeit not the fastest at certain things)." I can't speak for Firefly, I have Poser Pro Pack. I have seen some Firefly renders, and they ARE superb. Also, as I stated in my previous post, this is just a hobby. I don't have the time or patience to milk the program for everything it can do. I just didn't like getting grouped together in a category. I'm also sorry to say that I must agree with several other opinions about Poser images that have been expressed here: A lot of them DO look alike. While I enjoy seeing top heavy women in scanty clothing no real woman would be caught dead in, it would be refreshing to see something different.