"Why didn't anyone tell me that Rhino could do this???" cos it costs $795, and this is the Bryce forum.. Sorry, couldn't resist ;o)) Looking in the Rhino gallery, the rendering in the kind of images that a lot of people do here looks very flat, compared to Bryce. Not knowledgeable enough to know if it's because Flamingo (@ $470) isn't suited to that type of work, or that people just don't use it in that way very much and therefore aren't experienced at milking the renderer for all it's worth.