<---(Blushing) ROFL, sorry, it was a slip of the tongue, a typo. I meant tongue in cheek or better: tongue-in-cheekmust have been a Freudian slip. Thanks for pointing that out Pogmahone. I was trying to infer that some Brycian viewers dont take most Poser figures seriously since they are often unrealistic looking and plastic and find it a detractor from the overall image but would comment favorably but dishonestly.

To make my point and not to be offensive in any way let us take as an example the Poser image offered us by Baufeld in this thread, as a Poser image in the Poser gallery it may get rave reviews, personally I think that overall its a good image with much work on the hair and the clothing is wonderful but for the life of me I cant figure out what the hell hes looking at! Although the general pose is good, people never pose like that in real life with that catatonic, stiff stare looking out into space with that blank expression on his facewell most people I know dont anyway, but its a Poser trait and give-away, that is my point. The background in this image is excellent and wonderful work and could almost stand on its own but the figure imposes itself by taking center stage as Im sure was the intent. As a Poser figure image I would judge the image as great but as a Bryce image (he did post it here), good would have to suffice. My thanks to Baufeld for his art submission and hope he takes no offense but rather accepts my praises.

Btw...some of our best Brycers use or have used DAZ figures in their renders to some extent

Yes, this is what I meant when I said artificial looking and not at all Brycian except for an extraordinary few.

Poser figures, generally speaking, seem to lend themselves better to the image when they are placed in the distance where details become blurred from view as in a long POV battle scene for example. To make a Poser figure look realistic up close and personal is very complicated work and quite difficult to accomplish. But there are a few artists that can accomplish this task. The human eye is very unforgiving when viewing the human figure particularly the human face with which it is so very well familiar. A structure in an image may get away with the illusion of being true and real to its image but the human figure is often very well scrutinized and flaws are often magnified.

In my view, to create artistically believable and acceptable Poser/DAZ figures in a Brycian environment should be the challenge in keeping with the mergence of the programs. By this Im not suggesting in anyway that we must all incorporate figures in our works but those that choose to, should sincerely strive towards artistic believability. This is not to say that cubists, surrealists and impressionists are not allowed. :)

Whether or not a separate and distinct gallery or sub-gallery should be established is another matter. Perhaps some deliberation on this topic would be helpful in supplying some answers to this question.

Seekingempyrean: if you feel the use of common Poser imports detracts from the picture or artistry then how do they get into the Hot 20?

They get into the Hot20 because Renderosity is largely a Poser community and they vote their own in whatever forum gallery they may be in. Some, but few, are genuinely good and are worth the vote and the Hot20.

BTW, in the original Poser 4 manual on page 143, we have a pregnant Poser figure used to demonstrate the Deformer tools.

Message edited on: 09/25/2004 13:56