I think what blaufeld was trying to show when he kindly contributed his artwork as an example was that while many poser users do use the same model in much the same way as many other artists, he was showing that other physical attributes can be achieved if taken the time and interest to do so. Which I feel he conveyed nicely. With that being said I would have to say on the subject of believe-ability, Many, and I do mean many artists brycean images are certainly far from believeable, some of mine not withstanding. Say for instance when artists use a light source, and it shows it came from a cone shaped lightsource. The light has hard edges like when coming through an archway. Light wouldn't look that way irl. Bryce water is one of the best examples of being unbelieve-able that I know of. Almost no bryce artists add falloff to the bodies of water. It looks flat and plastic. My point is that just because you use bryce over poser, doesn't make it more believeable. And now I think I've single handedly kidnapped Sackrats original thread, and changed it's original question... I'll shutup now.:-)