AgentSmith wrote: _____________________________ "Vue4 to Vue5 upgrade" ..that's if you already own Vue. If you don't, it's $250. B5.5 = $99. _____________________________ Assuming Bryce5.5 and Vue5 both function properly, that seems about right. Bryce is way behind the game now, and the market forces it to be priced accordingly. But anyway, for the purposes of this discussion I was specifically comparing the full cost of the move from Bryce5 to Bryce5.5 with the upgrade cost of the move from Vue4 to Vue5, since full cost is the only uncomplicated choice we Brycers have. DAZ are not offering a straight money discount upgrade; they (typically) are offering some form of 'bundle of stuff' (and even then only after much wailing and gnashing of teeth from Brycers - well, some Brycers). The value of this 'upgrade' option will depend on whether a Brycer actually has any need of the bundle content. As such, it has no fixed 'dollar' value. I note that DAZ is offering a 'sidegrade' to Vue users. Doesn't it make you wonder just how much DAZ values Brycers? And that leads me to comment on a general impression that I've picked up from these discussions - that somehow we 'owe' DAZ for 'rescuing' Bryce. I don't think that's the case at all, and I think such an attitude is actually unhelpful. I certainly think we should be very happy that Bryce is now an active project again; but we shouldn't kid ourselves. This isn't a rescue mission by nice people; this is a cold-blooded business decision by nice people. Bryce has clear value to DAZ. And a major part of that value is the fact that there is still a big, active user base for Bryce. And who is that down to? Well, you could mention Eric Wenger, Kai Krause and others for making such a cool program in the first place - but they've been paid many times over for their efforts. You could mention Corel, who for all their failings did actually provide what is probably the most stable version of Bryce ever. But the real reason Bryce is still a viable program after all these years is - all of us. We, the "Bryce community", in all our various forms and arenas, are what have kept Bryce alive though the dark times. Without our carrying of the flame, Bryce would have died from neglect along with many otherwise viable programs. We are a major part of the continuing value of Bryce; a major part of its financial viability. If we owe DAZ - they owe us. So far I haven't seen any meaningful, voluntary recognition of that by DAZ.