Based on the 15th post on this page in which fonts were an example it seems the courts would rule in favor of the artist who used an object not there own. Based on the information duanemoody provided it seems the render is not a copy of the initial file and therefore a rendered picture can be used anyway the artist sees fit. And it makes sense if you parrallel the two situations. Microsoft Word can be parralleled to poser, a .obj to a .ttf, and a written article to a render. If i use use a font downloaded of the internet that is not intended to be for commercial use and write something using that font that makes me thousands of dollars, the creator of the font still doesn't get anything. Same goes for a render assuming duanemoody's information is correct. A private citizen can say, "you can't do that" all they please, but the courts have apparently already or obviously would, rule in favor of no post render rights. So i think the argument for post render rights is over. Rendered its mine, as a file its yours.... Anyone disagree? >:( On a side note: these forums are fun, debates are fun!