lol..thanks. I don't know why I was so stupid about this last night..maybe it was the rush of haveing to get it set up and done in like 40 mins. I see it now tho :) As it was I only had 8 of the 10 sec rendered when the client needed it. Lucky for me they loved it :) BTW: No matter what the future holds for Carrara I love the whole hybrid render & light sampleing. Yes it may cause some weird errors but at crunch time you can kick at a cool animation with all those wizards for text, landscapes, etc.