Yeah yeah yeah....I had a couple of pages made that I really liked. They looked pretty good, I thought, but I did The Bad Thing: They were all frames. I tried them out at all the different screen resoulutions I have, and on NN and IE, and all looked good for the most part, and then everyone tells me they hate frames! So now I'm re-designing, trying to replace the frames with tables and trying to figure out how to use those tables the way I want. I still haven't gotten rid of my Frame-Laced, MS Word 2000-created pages yet though... ;) I think the frame has gotten a bad rap! Cheers, Mike