Ah, Mike. Frames look nice (used well) and at first, they do have appeal for designing. But it's so easy to miss a link here or a notice there and have your visitors entering where you least expected them, or having your frames following them to other sites after visiting yours. It's your website, so do design how you want it. Once you've worked with frames for awhile, you'll understand where the rest of their bad reputation comes from. Kate, I think anyone who likes my Vue materials and Bloodsong's Poser dragons is excellently qualified to preside over the fan club! Bloodsong, you don't want to be president, or who's going to interview you, snap your picture and write heroic stories about you? Those are the president's duties, I think? And maybe we don't have to worry about paying the president until maybe after our first full-length feature film rocks Hollywood and presiding becomes a full-time job. Then we can start selling our autographs instead of just giving them away! :) The Varian/Bloodsong Fan Club...ah, I like the sound of that! It has such a nice flow to it, better than The Bloodsong/Varian Fan Club would. big grin And here's a quickie Vue update: I've been working on a couple new tutorials, and they're almost ready to be unveiled. So this is exclusive news for the Club, Kate! ;) I'll make a grand Mike-style announcement when the great moment arrives. :)