I agree that the violence in games is growing more intense with practically every new release, and there probably has to be limits drawn somewhere. But on the same token, I'd much rather see little jonny beating the crap out of some guy on a video game than see him do it to his neighbor, or the guy at the gas station because he didn't like the guy's clothes. Kids aren't as mind-numb and impressionable as people like to push them off as being, to make excuses for why something they don't like should be removed from the general audience. Anybody in their mid to late teens and definately young adults and up know the basics of right and wrong. Its which set of rules they choose to follow that makes the difference. I don't think that bashing joe shmoe's brains out in grand theft auto teaches kids that its okay to do that in the real world. Even the games that have that kind of stuff have consequences in the game. Violence isn't going anywhere. Taking it out of video games and off the television isn't going to prevent kids now or in the future from seeing it, and taking part in it. Its a double-edged sword. Plus, the reason its in video games and on television is because its what sells. Its what the public wants - at least, the public that game developers use to base the content of their next smash hit on. Its sad but its a fact. I still want a video game that uses customized characters and items like poser. 8-)