will check them out :) thanks casey. I think i will have to get used to the lighting. it looks a tad complicated and heck, i might mess a render because of crappy lighting. so what about reflections and all. i wandered to daz forum and there were some reflections that you can do in studio? i am mightily curious about it ... any suggestion on that after i stab my foot trying to figure the light setups in studio?