Ron (aka Bobby_Boucher and 13 other aliases), I am on record as having told many, many people to read the manual... as you very well know. However, there are times when experimentation and practice are the key to using a tool properly. If practice isn't fun, it becomes onerous drudgery, and the mind balks at retaining information gained through work. With something as complicated as effective lighting, only practice (or a huge wallet) will yield the desired result. Not everybody wants to use default lights. Carolly