"I trust the irony illuminated by this hypothetical pair of illustrations is not totally lost..... You were far too trusting. ;-) bonni" Actually not. I just had the Sarcastometer flag off. And BTW; gluconeogenesis: 'The creation of new glucose molecules in the body from other substrates converted into pyruvate at the cellular level, rather than the breakdown of glycogen by the liver and kidneys through glycosis'. Basically the creation of body useable sugars (glucose) from various other hydrogen-carbon molecular combinations (un-named substrates, as there are so bloody many potential ones that fit the bill) broken down into pyruvate, the ionized form of pyruvic acid, which is the byproduct -typically- of the breakdown of glucose through glycosis occurring in the liver(mainly) and kidneys(tertiary). In aerobic respiration, it is the main input of the citric acid cycle, in anerobic respiration it becomes lactate. Or making cell food by changing things that are =not= glucose =into= glucose. Gluconeogenesis: Gluco...shortening of glucose. Neo....new. genesis....creation. Easily translated medical jargon from the Wikipedia link, 3rd link down in a google search out of 60,500 links. Guess that makes me an MD. Or someone who reads a lot and understands phonetic deconstruction. It proves nothing. GoN2, on the other hand, has been in the Vue forum for a bit, and has been quite reasonable, so I have some small knowledge of his posting style...and yeah, Trapper John McIntyre is pretty close when he lets loose. My way of looking at this issue is rather simple; Innocent until proven guilty. Changing definitions does not a crime make. Those who rail loudest are generally railing at flaws they fear they possess themselves.