rolls eyes Thanks for those interesting yet coughanalcough remarks. Allow me to make a few of my own: 1. The challenge was never fully laid out or moderated as far as I'm concerned. It did not mention what exactly we would be modelling but generally stated the crystal palace and gave an obscure reference shot to it. While AS was mentioned as the moderator of the challenge, I don't recall him making any threads towards an acceptance of that fact. As far as I understood the challenge, the main idea was to model the crystal palace with Wings3D only while Bryster would do it with booleans. Initially, I did take it upon myself to model the ENTIRE thing. 2. To be an asshole, I was not perfectly happy with the idea of the challenge, since it was something potentially massive that would ultimately come down to who had the bigger, better computer. I'm not sure if you've really followed it, but the three people that have done it, myself, Bryster and brycetech had something around the lines of 300 (and 190 after), 300 and 700mb respectively in terms of scene sizes. Granted, brycetech did go ahead and modelled the whole thing. What it came down to was creating a few start-up models and multi-replicating those ad-nauseam. Unless Bryster would model the Simbel statues with booleans, I don't see how those might be included in the challenge (as were the plants, which would obviously be imports for both of us). 3. To model the statues or the plants was therefore ridiculous. To expect someone to make a perfect replica with barely any reference material is also idiotic. To continue on a scene in Bryce of all programs (or any rendering program) when it reaches 300mb is idiotic. It might take mad skills in Bryce to boolean model a couple of farkin' hexagonal beams and that trancept or whatever you call it, but in Wings it's a piece of cake. Replicating them is not a challenge. As well, as I recall, Bryster did have quite a head start on me by having access to the original drawings and so on (he can correct me if I'm wrong) while my only points of reference where the two pictures I had from the abu simbel expo and the university thing which was devoid of any farkin' trees. My mistake. 4. In terms of the actual render I made, that was my decision, after the model had been taking up 300mb on my 30gig hard disk. I cut it down to 190 or whatever by losing the windows. Bryster was largely unavailable as he toiled on his version, and I had 100 more interesting ideas going through my head. So I made a render with a figure in the middle of it that I begged off someone since I don't have Poser. I enjoyed the challenge, ultimately, because it did pose some general problems in terms of organizing it in Bryce and scaling things properly and so on. But I was happy to end it like that since I knew that I had finished it in less than a week in terms of modelling. I'm sorry if the idea and the PS filters have attacked your sense of artistic taste, but my thought was to covey the greatness of that hall together with the age of the building. 5. You have absolutely ZERO right to imply that I am childish or for that matter criticize my art in any way, shape or form. Bryster did not let me know of the fact that he was posting that thread, or asked permission from me to use my work, and he did not use my latest piece in asking for votes. I don't specifically care about the first two points as much as the third. I'm not mad at him or anything, since I didn't even expect him to finish the piece given the huge scene size that I was fighting with and that he himself met. Since I didn't really care of who won or whatever at that point, I conceded to him, as you might have read in my last post on the matter. I felt that it didn't really matter in the end, since it was a friendly challenge between two people who loved what they did. To boot, I did think his was significantly better in terms of exactness. Then again he did have more reference material than myself. 6. "Bye now...................Dennis" ? WTF is that? You're accusing me of childishness and then perform a hit and run? Screw you and the connection you rode in on. When I'll need critique for my work I'll be sure not to ask a self-important and long-winded idiot with a Crystal Palace beam stuck up his ass. Mihnea