oh look, thats not the point ... point is that if ya have a fractal gallery the mod made up rules for whether something is a fractal or not, and in his eyes non-fractal images should be moved to another gallery or not, and then when ya accept mixed media images in a fractal contest for the fractal community, you should say, they aren't accepted as well... hope you read that in previous messages :-)) as i remember correctly, in a previous contest, some time ago, some design wasn't accepted either, because of that...