I KNOW that Daz Studio doesn't support P5. It barely supports P4 models. I had much better luck with DS in its ALPHA release when they were using Python as an assist. (For whatever reason DS dropped Python, apparently.) Whatever method DAZ is using now seems like a down-grade. Support for Shade will most likely be in the same way E-On does with its Lightwave product- Ozone. So that would be fairly old news. It doesn't surprise me that World Builder has had to drop their prices too. There are beautiful renders to be had in World Builder but the learning curve is their major problem. World Construction Set is even worse. I can't understand why these companies can't get a clue from E-On and spend some time making their software easier to use. E-On has proven that it CAN be done. If Vue 5 is largely free of major bugs or problems, its going to be a major HIT!. My own upgrade should be arriving tomarrow (Wednesday), so after spending some QUALITY time with it- I'm sure I will have even MORE predictions to make, HEH!