Marion said "Who are the complainers and why aren't they speaking up now?" I was one of those complainers, maybe the main one. I have been very reluctant to jump into this with both feet because I experienced some real ugliness the last time around, coming from me and getting it back. Nothing about this place was worth that and I don't want to go through it again. I enjoy a good healthy discussion, like firefly has described above. I'll make another attempt: I was delighted to see the rules. I think that the fractal gallery has become more interesting as a result of the rules and I think that they should stay. I still see plenty of mixed medium images in the fractal gallery and I think they are fine there. I can handle the gray areas. Before the rules though there were some blatant non-gray area images showing up in the fractal gallery. I can think of one specific image, from one of the more controversial artists here, that was a Bryce image, plain and simple. It was a desk or vanity from the Bryce free stuff area that had a flame mapped on to the drawers. This same artist was kicking out one image after another like this and putting them into the fractal gallery. On top of that he was getting a lot of praise for his Bryce images in the fractal gallery. I'll be honest, I felt like I was being cheated. As you know, I like to build abstract scenes with UF and here this guy was pulling stuff from the Bryce free stuff area, mapping a half assed flame on it and getting high praise for it in the fractal gallery. That bugged me. Right or wrong, it bugged me so I complained. That's just one example. Renderosity has provided galleries for Poser, Bryce and mixed medium images and that's where those images belong. The hair splitting gray area images should be left up to the artist to place where he or she thinks that they should go. I think BringItIn is a gray area. I guess that's the trouble. Someone else might think that mapping a flame on to a desk is also a gray area. Keith