A fractal is a geometric pattern that is repeated at ever smaller scales to produce irregular shapes and surfaces that cannot be represented by classical geometry. Fractals are used especially in computer modeling of irregular patterns and structures in nature. A fractal can be made by various types of programs, not only generated by Ultra Fractal, Fractal Explorer etc. also with Bryce you are able to make irregular shapes which we gather under the name of being a fractal. Some of us aren't really happy with the outcome, and make different kind of designs with these fractals, using Photoshop, Painter or equivalent. As we are all fractal artists, we belong to this fractal community and are very creative with our designs. So no matter what we do to flourish up our designs, we do still belong in here and are able to upload our designs into this community. As programs become more complicated, and we are able to make designs which could in the end look like something as if it is NOT made with a fractal program, we surely love to stay in this community, were we are able to upload our art. So what if we ad some poser images, or do some pre-processing in adding a picture to our designs, the design will always be a fractal to start with. So what if somebody stands up and thinks everything else than what he/she produces on his/her screen trash, he/she may find 20% of the designers who stand by his/her opinion, then the moderator makes rules, and at the end the other 80% are unhappy. Then all of a sudden this same person stands up and 'Bring In' something else added to his program, and wonders why it isn't been seen as a fractal. Let's get everything back as it was before there were these guidelines, everyone was more happier, and more creative, it all didn't work in the first place. What are rules in a fractal community if even the moderator doesn't obey them. Yes, he can say, that in a fractal contest the rules cannot be changed, after the contest is active, but wasn't he the one who made these rules of something being a fractal or not, and then has a contest? All of a sudden, the rules didn't seem to bother him nomore, he accepted mixed media designs. So his violation of these rules made up by himself, establishes this discussion. So we will have it back to the old again, and enjoy everyones contribution to their expression of art, it's up to he artist himself whether something is called a mixed media, fractal or anything else. No restrictions or rules, just do what we all do, having fun sharing our approaches of designs, with the basics of a fractal. Have a nice week, Harmen