RN; If you're referring to bonnyclump...I have nothing personal against himher, but I've been fighting to avoid calling himher 'NaySay Guy' for a few months now (no offense to Dr Geep). Every post that involves Vue in any way, shape, or form is utterly negative, and not in a good way; if a lot of people =don't= have a problem, and only a handful do, then the odds are it is their configuration. If something is repeatable its a bug, like the GL handle issue that ShadowWind isolated a few weeks ago in VuePro. A steady stream of 'It doesn't work for me, it's trash' isn't very helpful in solving any problem. She appently doesn't like Vue or VuePro; I tried Worldbuilder and found to to be the buggiest kludge I ever encountered. I moved on...I didn't feel some imperative to convert the heathens, as it were. At the moment I'm mildly steamed about Vue 5; I haven't gotten a single Rendercow to function on my nice little rendergarden; that runs the gamut from and XP-1700 to and Athlon 64-3000, and Win2kPro SP2 to WinXP Pro release. But I feel it needful to make sure I've done all I can before waving the debug reports at E-on, so that I =know= that it isn't my system's at fault.