Hi everybody, I haven't recently contributed to the gallery and to this thread yet but I would like to say that to put a border between what is fractal and what is not is an almost impossible job. Some have talked about softwares, plugins, etc. If you consider that most CG softwares and their plug-ins, add-ons, etc. always use maths and often fractal maths, this fight is irrelevant. The only difference between, let's say Bryce, or Zbrush, or Painter brush engine, Redfields, etc. and UF, Xenodream, etc. is that fractal generators claim their origin and the other ones usually don't. In this last case, how it is programmed is users' last concern. What they care about are the aesthetical results. But this is also what explains that often you will get the fractal effects from a lot of softwares. Personnally, I am a person who likes her creative freedom and nobody will succeed to put me in a can I don't want. Rules are the worst enemies of creation and invention. I feel myself enough creative to program my own stuff in UF. But I will also post-process if the job is more easily or more quickly done in another software. I don't reinvent the wheel when I know it exists. And as said, there is no fractal purity. Why I should care about it? But I also consider I have enough judgment to know where to post my images. Presently my gallery outside photographies is almost empty. But I used to have some in the 2D gallery and some in the fractal one. When I had doubts, the 2D what my choice. Personnally, I don't like being punished and constrained because some people lacked judgment. Miche D. returning to lurkdom.