Nick, I'm sorry that you think the guidelines have backfired. I don't agree. I think they are working well, but you probably see a lot more backfire than I do. I was hoping there would be some agreeable modification to the guidelines, like allowing us to move our own images when prompted by you. If it is all or nothing, please consider the implications and backfire of removing the guidelines: Everything is fair game. I own a copy of Bryce now and if I choose to map a flame on to an object and stuff it into some obscure corner of my image, it's fair game in the fractal gallery. If I take a picture of a natural fractal, like a flower, tree or coastline and don't do anything with it in a fractal generator, it's fair game. Any abstract image that looks like it might have been made with a fractal generator would be fair game. I mean, if there are no guilelines then there are no guidelines, period, and I'll put whatever I damn well please into the fractal gallery. It would be a huge mistake to eliminate the guidelines all together. If you do then you might as well rename this forum to "the complaining about the fractal gallery forum" because it will never stop. Even if you say something like, "This gallery is open to all fractal related images" it would be better than nothing. A statement like that would open up the gallery to everything and anything, but when people complain you would have something in writing to make reference to. I'll go with the flow, but whatever you do, Nick and Barbara, define this gallery in writing. Keith