So long as you used a fractal generator to make a fractal during the process of making an image then, yes, I believe you can post whatever you like in the gallery, Keith. The trouble with rules is that once you start laying them down to any specific degree then you have to keep adjusting them. It starts with no Bryce, no Poser, no tubes and then it's no Bringitin and no Xenodream and just keeps expanding with every new thing that comes out. Eventually you have a fractal gallery with only 3 people in it because the rules forbid any creativity in combining applications and only those that can be bothered to read through the long list of 'donts' can post anything. The way I see it, this is an art gallery and as such the image always comes first. So what if we get a few postings that don't really belong here? Who is it really hurting? In the past i've got just as annoyed as other people about some of the postings that don't belong here but i've changed my mind about it. In the big picture it doesn't affect my art or my enjoyment of this gallery, it can even be used to gain inspiration. Keith, I believe you have been influenced by non-traditional fractal art in the past...Fractal Spheres? After I started posting Bryce images with fractal mapped spheres in them you went all out to try and accomplish the same thing in Ultra Fractal, and succeeded brilliantly. Unfortunately with the new rules we have here now my original images would have never been allowed to be posted here. You probably wouldn't have seen them and a whole series of UF sphere images probably wouldn't have happened. At least not back then... That isn't a creative environment, and I don't want to be in an environment like that. A friend of mines favourite saying is "If you want the rainbow, you have to put up with the rain" and it couldn't be truer in this case. Matt. (and people say I can't be eloquent...)