OK. I'm back to square 1.5. The Falcon Mk III is rebuilt and saved this time. I couldn't recreate the sky or water scene like it was so it's different now too. This is a rough restart. I like the sky(thanks to Jedswindells) not sure if I'll be allowed to use it, since I didn't create it. Got the wake in the V shape, just gotta get the size right. Tjohn, I tried the fuzzy for the rooster tail and it disappeared on me, don't know why. ICM, the settings worked great in the test I did, so I'll probably be using that for the rooster tail. Pogmahone, I used the terrain to gouge out the center wake, but from the camera angle you couldn't see it, but it worked. Thebryster, you're right, so I put a little one right in front and will put more in the following wake. Drac & Xenic thanks. In a couple of months when I get my hosting straighten out it will be one of my freebies. Thanks for everyones input and help.