"WIP" (Work In Progress)... When you are/were at school in the art classes (assuming you were:-]), you had a teacher who came round and pointed out what you were doing wrong and why and how to improve it. The teacher also gave you information on how to use the materials and equipment at your disposal. That didn't make your achievments any the less: YOU had to come up with the idea; YOU had to put that idea into effect; YOU had to learn to master the tools. Learning is a never-ending process. If you can't work out how to achieve the effect you want there's no disgrace in asking if anyone else knows how to do it, and WIPs are probably the most effective way of asking for that advice. That said, I'm a very slow learner and I only post WIPs here (and occasionally in the Poser forum if it's relevant), not in the gallery. To my mind, the Gallery is for finished pieces. The forums (fora? fori? - my latin is terrible:-]) are where WIPs should be posted. A bit OT: I also think that the Poser forum should be subdivided into more categories, including a Poser Newbies forum, which could include tutes and WIPs etc, ('cos FAQ doesn't really help that much except for absolute tyros), the Poser Products forum, where people can advertise their products and probably a couple more.. :-). That way, maybe the Poser forum could start becoming less frenetic (like the Bryce forum is). Oh, well. Wishful thinking probably. And I wandered way off my original train of thought.... Cheers, Diolma