pauljs75: That was my first thought, too, which is ironic. She showed me how she did it, though, and it is very similar to the one in the presets, proportionally, in the render, but not as neat as the preset. Attached is the cage view. It is possible she may have borrowed from the preset to see how it was done; that I don't know. I'll have to ask her. But, from my standpoint, I guess that's OK, because she is learning from example and not by cheating.