Hold on to your socks for a few days- I discovered a whole new lighting technique for use in P5 that will create a whole new type of light source that we poser users havn't had before. I've been working on it for more then a month to get it's limitations down right. Should only be a couple more days if I can get the time before I post it. and no 4140- it's not the holy grale-lol-it's something else. "pointlight, pointlight, pointlight." "pointlight, pointlight, pointlight." "pointlight, pointlight, pointlight."