Careful Swade on what you imply. Noone said AS was yanking anyone's chain. I just wanted to compare some notes so as to help me in my buying habits. We also have to keep in mind, what I consider a minimumum "killer" machine for Bryce rendering, may or may not be the same as what AS calls a "good/average" pc. It also depends on of your scrapping out an older machine for parts. New Operating system? What do you consider minimum ram for Bryce now and it's future...512, gig, or more ram? DVD burner for backup? We're here to learn, not accuse ;)