As for my attitude, if i really didn't care about the non commercial use message, i wouldn't have started this thread. When I initiated the question it wasn't because i wanted to argue. It was because the non commercial use message seemed like a grey area, i was right. We're approaching 100 reply's and still no correct, cut and dry answer. And as i stated, i do not use non commercial use objects at all. At first, i didn't plan to use other people's objects at all, but i soon found that on my budget it is nearly immpossible to produce any good quality poser work without them. I'm not using the "no post render rights" argument so i can justify using these objects either. I will never use other poeple's objects if they don't want them used. The fact is, however, it is not a cut and dry case (legally or ethically). I'm just trying to balance the argument because it seems to be going in one direction. I could just as easily argue the other side. If the "no post render rights" side started winning i might very well argue the opposite side under a different log in. I do feel, however, that for a modeler to put something out and be upset if it gets used, that is is petty. But none of the modelers have yet said that they would actually be upset. I know its impossible to fulfill my requests if i'm arguing "the other side," but don't take offense to things i say. Just because i'm arguing that side doesn't meen i necsecarily agree with it. Thanks for the art praise sharkey, where exactly did you see it? And exactly which peice did you like?