Well I did render in usermode with rays at maximum witch seems to be 64. At least, if I enter anything higher and then close the dialog and then reopen it again the settings are back at 64. Is it a Vue 5 bug? Apart from that I could of course render oversize but then it would take a day to render. The grainynes is not allways bad, in some work I relly like the paintish look. I'll se if I kan find that rodluc tut .