thanks all, looks like i have been getting some LWO files that are from versions above 5.6. no matter i have a program that will import/export them for me. I'll try it a few more times and will end up buying it in the long run. sackrat i downloaded C4D R9 and it doesn't save/import/export files in the trial version, thanks for telling me about it. The Bryster my man, i'll not be lazy and remove all the files i have in my libaries then i'll install the patch/update for bryce :) Message from my girlfriend who i have no idea why she wont post this or anything on the forum other than she is either shy,lazy or just to stubbon. Thanks guys you have no idea how frustrating its been for him with these errors and not been able to use some of the great models he has found that are in LWO format. I'm glad we found this forum, you have all been a great help and when/if i get my WIP finished i will let you all see it. Thanks again LunarTick & Ehlana