Certainly, that is each person's individual decision. The comment was that they don't fit into photographic situations and so that is what I addressed. Would I turn these in to a publication for printing as is? Not if they were for illustration work. I am not trying to compare these models to any other. That is what you do for yourself because it is your money that you are spending. If these models do not do it for you, at least it is good that there are others to choose from. All I can do is try to show these models to the best of my ability and in this case, was trying to show them in as raw a render state as possible for people to assess the model and not my illustration skills. Cris