PJF, Corel only added the tree lab and metaballs as I remember it to the already existing Bryce 4. I remember updating to Bryce 5 for that reason only. In my mind, Corel would have had better sales of their Bryce 5 program if they had kept up with the updating. Instead for years they let it dilapidate into no-mans-land with no further program improvements and with that came the bad reviews triggering a fall in sales. At least, thats the way I see it. Hopefully, they wont do the same thing with PSP. Sometimes companies buy up other programs just to drive them down and eliminate the competition. Case in point, AOL buying Netscape while in collaboration with Microsoft to help push Internet Explorer and putting Netscape on the backburner. Im not saying that this is what Corel has in mind for PSP, but judging from what they did with Bryce, they might as well have. LOLdoes anybody know if Vue paid Corel a kick-back to suppress Bryce?