Lol yeah I've spent a lot of time futzing with things I didn't understand. Lets just say I made a lot of crazy blobby deformed characters! Its true tho, the more I use it the less frustrated I am by the actual program, but I don't understand it. Does that make sense? For example, if I mess with the eyeballs, the character will turn to a box and I'll have no idea where the iris or pupil are pointing. I still haven't figured out how to change the characters gaze. One eye usually ends up looking one way while the other freakishly is hidden in the back of the head. Is there a way to select both eyeballs at the same time? And is there a way to actually move them with out the character turning into a box? Everyone in this forum will hate me in no time :) Kelly