I can relate to Mason's irritation. I wish Poser 5 would tell you when it needs more memory instead of just quitting in the middle of a render. And that 'cancel' button just adds to the frustration because what it really means is "control-alt-delete" because Poser ain't gonna stop working on the job for another half hour. And the exploding clothing magnets are a big headache too. But just recently, I did try to render a scene ( a highly populated scene with big textures)with the P4 renderer and it locked up. Then rendered the same scene with Firefly and have to say, Firefly handled it with no problems. I think it's because Firefly allows more render options. Like I could bring down texture from 4096 to 1024 and fine tune the anti-aliasing. Whereas in P4 renderer anti-alias is on or off and it must be using each texture's fullsize. I do have Vue 4 and would use it more but the dang camera goes flying off everytime I touch it. Vue 5 sounds good. Just wish the cameras moved like Poser cameras.