Oops my bad. They are in the poses category. They are just the ones that come with the V3 (the whole package thingy), nothing special. I'll click on the make-up that I want to use, then render and nothing. The lighting works and she's rendered, but her eye color stays that light blue color and none of the skins or make-up are applied. I will try finding a base texture and applying that first, and then the make-up, maybe that will help. I'm getting sick of looking at bald vicky with those piecing eyes and gasp no make-up! :) Kelly