Yeah I figured out the zero'ing thing from nicks post, but that didn't solve the problem. And she does load in the position I have shown. I just double clicked her and thats how she appeared, but no matter, I can always just do the "zero'ing" thing. But that is the least of my problems. Its not a big deal since I plan to create most of my own clothing for my models, but its annoying. Posette loads in the normal position like you have vicky shown in, but her clothes still don't fit her either. I think I'll probably just give up on this. But thanks for the zero'ing tip that will definately come in handy anyway. Kelly