I tried the Vue4 demo awhile back. I didn't really like the interface, but I was impressed by the results, mainly the skies/atmospheres. I think Bryce spoiled me for the higher end progs, since Bryce is so easy to use. I might make the jump to Vue5 though. Not being much of a postwork expert, Vue offers excellent results right out of the box, especially with all the new Vue5 features. I've been trying for maybe 5, 6 yrs to make a Bryce sky look un-cheesy, and it's getting frustrating as hell. No matter how you slice it (without postwork), Bryce skies don't look too realistic. I wonder what Bryce6 skies will do?