Yep, Rochr, I guess Bryce is in such an advantage over SoftImage (maybe XSI is a bad example now, cuz it is much cheaper, which puts it in poor man category), they HAD to do that, lol !!! I guess, according to the guy, we all "press 2 buttons" and thats how we make our renders ! :) Superior beeings ??? Definetly, lol ! It really feels good every single time you pull something which looks like it was rendered with MentalRay (kind of, sort of) or some other expencive "push couple buttons" renderer (20 min in MentalRay = 20 hours in Bryce), not really couple of them, but with much less effort !!! :) I guess all that effort does not make it up for quick random parametric generator thingie in Bryce, go figure, lol !