Armorbeast I only showed them because someone asked for some shots comparing them. And the renders I did weren't even set up, just grabbed them and threw textures on them. Why are you slamming me for doing someone a favor? If you don't like them don't buy them, no one is twisting your arm to buy from Daz, and no one is saying you can't use the old versions. I just think it's odd that folks have been begging for clothes and now there will be plenty. If the old chars were so great, why haven't vendors been creating stuff for them the way they did V2, M2 and the new characters? Next time I won't do the favor of showing them and that way you won't be offended. Marque