I have Vue4 and don't use it too much because it has issues with my computer. I've tried it on my friend's computer and the results are similar to Bryce IMHO. There are some pros and cons of course. I have yet to try Vue Pro, I've seen some very sweet results. I also agree with dougcd on the Bryce skies. @Swade_Hey I have a mouse just like that one and Iv'e been very pleased with it ;-) As far as the issue here I personally have no animousity towards Vue. I do prefer to use Bryce because I'm more accustomed to it, it has spoiled me rotten.