i'm not a texture expert, but, there's a lot of textures out there that you'd never be able to tell by looking that they weren't created 100% in a program like photoshop. It depends on the skill of the artist and how realistic they were trying to get. I've been dealing with computer graphics long enough to know that there really isn't any sure way of avoiding that "patterned" look, regardless of how realistic or fake your texture may be. Again, it depends on the artist's skill with the mouse, the program they're using, and how sharp their detail eye is. If you want truly realistic textures, get a high-quality digital camera and start taking high-res photos of clothing and various different pieces of cloth. If you want to avoid that patterened look, use a texture swatch that's larger than the surface you're applying it to. the less tiling of a texture you have to do, the less repetitive pattern you'll get in it. Anyway, that's my advice. I'm sure others out there have their own. 8-) E.D.