Pog???? what???? I'm not saying anything, really, just waffling. I've agreed all along that not allowing the use of mathematically generated terrains was silly. And I don't see much difference between that and using sub-pixel displacement. I think the guy has painted himself into a corner. I was commenting on the theory that hobbyists are likely to reach the same level of skill as trained professionals. If that were so, no-one would bother going to college for four years. Brycers complain about Poser in the Bryce gallery, for exactly the same kind of reasons that this guy is banning the use of Bryce presets. He obviously doesn't understand that 'the experts' don't use presets, that they're just an easy introduction to the program. That's just a misunderstanding on his part, and I notice he didn't answer the query about the use of sub-pixel displacement. But I can't fault him for trying to keep the standard of entries high. The artwork on the site warrants his care. Might be better to folks to just submit entries, and see how it goes?