@ Bryster: Yep, you've seen it not a long ago. It was one of those "faulty" threads. :-) To be more precisely, nuski decided to recreate in Bryce what I had done in Rhino. And did a commendable job of it. But I agree with kaom. Every program has its use. For instance, my renaissance instruments (AD: in the marketplace warehouse :-)). I had to spend several hours drawing and connecting lines for the rose of the lute. In Bryce, I just put in the photo and bingo, the rose was done. But with a penalty - with five times the polygons that the whole ensemble has now. If I wanted to just create a pic, Bryce rose would have been excellent. Not for distribution. When I come to Bryce from Rhino, I really miss sweeps, revolutions, flows and so on. I miss the pure ease of modelling. That's why I almost completely abandoned modelling in Bryce. I simply cannot express myself freely in it anymore. OTOH, I wish I could use the terrain modelling of Bryce in Rhino. So I don't consider Bryce inferior. Just different. I also play with Cinema. And see that its modelling tools are really inferior in some regards to those of Rhino. They lack the obvious precision, for instance. Still, there are things that I can do in Cinema that I simply cannot do in Rhino, even with models. So, they are just different. I can live with that. What I cannot live with is people equating the difficulty of learning with quality. Unlike you, I don't have problems with memory. Possibly just the opposite. But I still think that the workflow and outline of Max was badly thought out. Cinema is quite better in that regard, Rhino runs rings around it and Bryce is infinitely better. I think I already said here that it's difficult to learn Max, but once you learn it it's quite easy to master. Both Bryce and Rhino are easy to learn, but quite difficult to master. I can say I know both programs pretty well, but I still have quite a long way to go to the top. And I don't mind it, because they didn't put a sheer cliff in front of me. Still, nuski, I would be interested in seeing what Maya can offer. I downloaded PLE, but I have never installed it.

-- erlik