Ackshelly, I wasn't particularly talking about the terrain or how it was made, rather about the professional quality of it and other images in the gallery there. As far as I can see, there'd be nothing to stop anyone from making a terrain from scratch in the terrain editor, using the paint tools, or importing a pic from PhotoShop to use as heightmap. That's very little different from modelling it from scratch, and far as I can remember ZBrush can use a form of heightmap to make meshes as well. Say you made/painted a basic terrain shape in Bryce, then exported as .obj, and worked on it some more in a modelling program (I use Wings mostly), then imported it back into Bryce. I do that all the time. Technically, you're importing a mesh object, you've just made that mesh object in several stages. I'm arguing round in circles here, because I do agree with the guy in principle, now that I've read his replies. But there are ways around the ban that would be quite legitimate, by making the terrain 'your own' with further work. Which most people (apart from newbies) do anyway........ And newbies would be insane to enter a contest like that, where the standard is going to be so high. So a middle ground might be to view it as a way of dissuading newbies from cluttering up the entries with loadsa spheres over water. ramble ramble ramble ramble